The gut awakening is, in Joe’s telling, the recognition that you are inherently safe—the point where “the me against the world on the nervous system level starts to disintegrate.” It’s also the most dangerous doorway to force; he associates it with kundalini and has seen people who didn’t know what they were doing lose sleep for years.

The path he trusts is pleasure. Not grand pleasure, but the small kind: taking pleasure in doing the dishes, in a breath, in an ordinary conversation. Savoring life.

“Because you can’t savor, you cannot have pleasure if you’re not safe.”

The logic runs the other way from how most people approach safety. We usually try to secure ourselves into feeling safe; Joe points out that pleasure requires safety, so cultivating pleasure is a way of teaching the nervous system, from the inside, that it is not under attack. There’s a riskier version of the same opening—his own first taste came BASE jumping off an 800-foot bridge, where the demand for total presence crashed his sense of self—but he’s quick to add that you don’t need to nearly die. “You can be that present here having a podcast.” Pleasure does the same work, safely.

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